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it brings me great pleasure

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to speak to shannon this morning good

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morning shannon we're having our coffee

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together how about that

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good morning willis good morning so uh

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thank you for contacting me and you made

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a beautiful artwork i'm gonna show that

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artwork at some point um uh that

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involved lou alizondo and i'm gonna he's

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thrilled he's so excited to get it

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so i uh i will be showing that once i

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get it

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um you're sending me a copy and i really

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appreciate that but i'd like to

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i'd like for you to talk about

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the ufo the military ufo incident and

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just go if you would into

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what you knew about it and first heard

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about it uh so back in 1998 when i was

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on board the uss john f kennedy i uh

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i got i got

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i heard something

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and

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it stuck with me but i'm not going to

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tell you the story because i don't want

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to tell it twice

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so

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i was on the john f kennedy from 1998 to

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2001

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um then i went

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to a couple other commands and then i

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was luckily

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um i got lucky and i was able to come

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back to the john f kennedy

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um in 2007 right up

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until it's decommissioning

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wow um

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during that time i was the lpo

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for security and we're talking probably

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around 80 personnel i was in charge of a

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security

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and

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the story that i heard both times

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exactly was that in the early 70s the

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john f kennedy

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while doing

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rough tray exercises um

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in the caribbean off the coast of

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like guantanamo bays where we have rough

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tray

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a glowing sphere was above

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the flight deck of the ship

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the the the ship went into general

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quarters

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what does that

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general quarters is basically where

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everyone needs to be

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in order to fight the ship against

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enemies yeah or it could be

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we go into general quarters

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um

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for training or general quarters for

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um let's see a fire

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yeah you know we have a huge fire

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everybody has to go

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and fight the ship in order for us to

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survive because we can't call 9-1-1 in

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the middle of the ocean yeah

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yeah

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so so what happened was uh

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both times that i heard this

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there was a

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sailor a lookout

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who saw this fear

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and apparently he freaked out and he had

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to be

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sedated

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wow

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the thing is is that the first time that

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i heard it

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i was you know i hear a bunch of sea

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stories it wasn't that shocking but when

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i came back to the ship after all those

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years it was the exact same story

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and as i told you before

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um if everybody knows that the telephone

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game in elementary school where you the

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teacher

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tells one student a story and it goes to

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the next student and the next student

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and by the time it gets to the last

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student

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they demonstrate how the story can

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change yeah but this didn't

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this was exactly

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the way i heard it the first time

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and so

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i retired in 2009

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and

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along comes those ufo videos um

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that was released

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and

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i thought that was pretty cool

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um i wasn't that into ufos

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you're talking about the military

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and released videos 2017 they started

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right

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i'm off the coast i'm in jacksonville

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florida and it really caught my interest

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because one of the incidences happened

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in um

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right off the coast of jacksonville

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right um the ship the ships that were

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out there are from

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norfolk virginia

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and so i started paying a little bit

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more attention to ufos like this is

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there's something to this right

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well

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i one day i was just i was interested in

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john f kennedy videos

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um

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i think i was watching the

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decommissioning video

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at first

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i was there during the decommissioning

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but i didn't really get to see it

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because i was on watch and

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um in a trailer

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um coordinating security for the

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the ship and on the pier

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and uh so i missed it so i was watching

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the john f kennedy videos well i typed

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in

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bar on youtube

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and there was a video that popped up

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called glowing spear over the jfk

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it was the exact story that i just told

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you about so i was

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i was um taken back quite a bit

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that's what got me into

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um

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doing some nighttime reading about ufos

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and videos i i discovered your

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podcast along with many others

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did you uh

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hear more details

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on this than just the spear i mean what

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are the what are some of the more of the

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details besides just the spear and then

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the one person you know being sedated is

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is there any more details to it yes the

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um apparently the ship

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um was losing power or there was some

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transmission issues

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like um you'll hear like let's say a ufo

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um went over your car and you hear

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people talk about how their radio went

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out yeah so i heard like some things

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happen like that

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that's pretty major on a ship like that

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that yeah types of ship like that out

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yeah it's not as digital as it is these

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days back then more

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things were analog and yeah but but

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there's so many cases of cars losing

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power you know in the 1970s so i mean

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it's it's not but i mean the ship

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actually losing power do you mean like

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in the control room or in general do you

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know

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um like like

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i don't know it specifically i just knew

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it was having some issues yeah yeah and

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so uh obviously there was many witnesses

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let me tell you who's witnessed it not

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only did the whole bridge watch it we're

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talking all the the the lookouts up

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there on the island which is the

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structure above the flight deck they saw

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if there was anybody on the flight deck

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and there's always people on the flight

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deck

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they saw it yeah so that you watched a

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video and there was a guy describing the

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same exact thing exactly it was a

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stephen gray video and yeah they were

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and was it a first-hand witness that was

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a firsthand i think he was a

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cryptologist

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um the way he explained everything

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he's right on the money i know he has

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the circle served on the ship he was

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talking about going out from the on the

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port side and there's a catwalk over

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there i know exactly what he was talking

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about i've been there

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um

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yeah

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everything he talked about i

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was was what i heard both times when i

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was on that ship

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yeah so that would be interesting to

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find someone i really appreciate the

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fact that you're bringing this sort of

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unknown case to light and um and and

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your your involvement and at least the

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hearsay part of it is very interesting

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thank you it is your saying it is yours

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but i really appreciate it thank you